UPDATE: Kleen-Rite usually simplifies things….

Disclaimer…. I am not claiming that I am correct!  I am just claiming I am confused!  🙂  I am also not an expert!  I have worked in this car washing field for over 10 years as an owner/operator and have a 2005 KR catalog (do you?)!  So you know I horde things and I have a little knowledge that might have rubbed off?  🙂

Someone from Kleen-Rite messaged me and wanted to know what my problem was with my KR post…. (He actually just asked what was confusing me and was really nice.)  Like it really matters though…. Who am I going to order from?  🙂

Anyway…. The first image below is from the “Issue 54” and the second image is from “2005”.  But my real frustration is the inconsistency…. this is the part that is confusing.  To be true to KR standards…. they should simplify things.  Instead they are using multiple names to describe the exact same thing…. I believe?  🙂


List of irrelevant information or inconsistent information not used throughout the catalog…. or what I believe is just confusing for no reason.

  • JIC Flare, SAE Flare, Flare
  • Ballseat pipe, IPT, JIC, SAE, MIP, NPTF
  • Hose ID, ID Hose, Size

There are also things that make no logical sense or I am missing something…. so I assume I am not the only one.

  • Why is a description “ID Hose x OD Tube”?  I have not purchased any of these flare fittings…. but they appear to be threaded not pipe.  Which is still not tube or hose?  But I am not an expert on flare fittings!
  • Why under “Push Lock Barb” would you use “F” on only 2 of the fittings?  Does this imply the others are Male?  Most of the fittings are labeled at the top of that page…. but all are labeled by a picture…. I believe?  Except those 2 fittings?
  • Plus under “PLF224″…. looking at the size “3/8 x 1/4″…. which is the barb and which is the male fitting?  Even if it is stated as pictured…. the other pictures on the page are all different directions.

Other pages have inconsistent data and I feel could be confusing also.  I just believe there should be a standard through out the catalog.  But I do know your pain…. I use to have a real job and worked with the public and co-workers as a programmer.  I always thought all my applications, manuals and websites had the best gui and were the most user friendly ever!  🙂  The end users seem to always question that though?  🙂

Kleen-Rite usually simplifies things….

But what does IPT mean? You automatically know what “PT” means? Then after you figure out what IPT means…. you realize who cares if it means “Iron Pipe Thread”?
This site had all the info you would need.  http://pipeandhose.com/

NPT threads are also sometimes referred to as:
MIP (Male Iron Pipe), FIP (Female Iron Pipe), IPT (Iron Pipe Thread), FPT (Female Pipe Thread), MPT (Male Pipe Thread)

Usually KR is really good at making everything easy and only carries a limited useful selection needed by car wash owners. But the problem with KR’s description is they should have the exact same fittings above these on the same page? Which added to the confusion. KR seems to neglect the fitting section for easy of use…. they do not describe everything and you have to guess sometimes. I am using issue 54…. whatever that means? 🙂

UPDATE 20150102 Issue 54 page 543.  This might help!  🙂


Has anyone seen this vacuum on ebay before?

Some legit brand also sells a dual vac…. I think it is the worse idea ever. Especially at the insane price of $7000…. I do not care if it is a fragrances vac, a shampooer vac and a dual normal vac…. it does not have an air machine also! JK 🙂 Plus even though it is a direct copy of a Coleman vac…. only his using a cheaper Harbor Freight compressor…. it seems silly. Customers get confused with just one vac and one person using it!

It also looks like this guy might purchase the doors directly from Coleman’s supplier? Looks like there is no protection behind the sticker? But all that really does not matter! I think this guy is great! Pretty much every car wash owner (including me) makes fun and hates certain car wash equipment. This guy just built his own stuff! Which really anyone could do…. but everyone rather cry about stuff. My only question is why on Earth does everyone charge over $4000? Just saying?

This guy also fixed or attempted to fix a major flaw with Jim Coleman vacuums. I actually wonder if the guy worked or works for Jim? Fragramatics vacs are one of the best with fixing another obvious flaw with Coleman round vacs. Coleman oval vacs I would rank as slightly better. Doyle is another brand Coleman can copy on some stuff.



Pictures of High Yield Northern Car Wash Bays…. Entitled “Bay Views”

Kate Carr must have run to far in her marathon?  🙂  This is the exact reason I NEVER run!  🙂  The link she gave for pictures in her SSCWN article was slate.com…. come on…. this is like saying try google.com?  🙂  I really like bay pictures…. I actually have a collect of my own.  (Not fancy style…. just showing equipment from random car washes…. you can see some here.)

But Mark Lyon’s collection or links are below:




I actually did not know there was a market for car wash pictures like Mark’s…. I have never seen any images like his.  I can not say Mark’s are good or bad?  But I do prefer the more artistic images of car washes on flickr if your into that sort of thing?:  https://www.flickr.com/groups/workinatthecarwash/pool/  https://www.flickr.com/groups/carwash/pool/  (Over seas) https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/pool/

Frederick Avenue CAR WASHOmni car washManchester Car WashSoft wash #23/365

You know what really makes me really angry? :)

Is it just me or is this what happens every time?




I really love this grinder so far…. I have burnt out a little Dewalt grinder like this one then purchased a couple others….  But this Bosch 9 inch large angle grinder is pretty awesome…. if you want to grind through anything!


Only problem with the grinder is the length…. it is 26″ from the tip of the shield to the cord.  Almost as large as my kid.  LOL  🙂

It has more horsepower then my work car at 4hp….  The DEWALT D28499X has 5.3 horsepower….  The Dewalt is cheaper also…. I forgot why I thought the Bosch was better?  Maybe I try never to purchase Dewalt?  🙂  No…. I think Bosch just usually has better stuff in general?  I actually only purchase Dewalt products because they come/came in hard boxes…. which they look like they are getting cheap and starting to go with bags?  Like this device? DEWALT DCS355D  Which I think is one of the leading devices in that category of knock off Fein products?  Apparently Fein’s patent ran out?  I can not remember everything!  🙂

But now Dewalt has kind of a conflict of interest?  They use to have the hard cases for everything…. even multi-packs.  Then they switched to bags for multi-pack.  But it seems that Bosch and others…. came out with stuff like the lboxx.  Now Dewalt has 2 systems the tough system and the tstak….  I looked at both online.  No one sells them locally so I decided to not bother.  I like the tough system though because of the water proof aspect.  They have also gotten cheaper so they seem more appealing?

The United States Postal Service’s finest example in advertising! :)


This proves the United States does not require college degrees to work at the po box place? Or High School degrees? Or the ability to read? Or a stupid test for employment…. or any pride in your work.

I have a $44 a month box by the way! That is $528 a year?  Ask yourself…. Would I really have a box that is that small for $528 a year?  Does this really pass the stupid test? Someone should be fired or written up? (I pick fire everyone who interacts with customers…. but I do not get a vote.)  (Plus I did not even make fun of the lady that forgot how to write a “3”…. or maybe it was an “8”?  See I am nice I think it was a “3” though?  $184 a month would just be stupid!  LOL 🙂 )

Yes…. I also know the people renting the PO Boxes understand what the amount is for….  A box owner I would think is a private sector business owners.  Not a well paid Federal Government employee not accountable for being nice?  Sorry I really liked my Dolomate PO Box so much better.  I liked the Post Master running the entire place….  They were always super nice…. but the Government for some reason moves them around all the time and there was always someone new?  Seems stupid…..

BTW  When I get ALL the “case quarters” I will get a $134 a month box! ($1,608 a year) Just to tell everyone I can.


(Picture above)  My 5 year old was wondering why all these letters were sticking out of all these boxes…. Well daughter “this is what happens when the government tries to run a business…. all those letters were put in the wrong boxes”.  Yeah…. It is only 7 on that row…. but people probably throw stuff away all the time for people from bad service.

20141023 Update…. apparently it is not a requirement from the government to cover up delivery of mail to the wrong box!  Well that is a relief the government is not involved in a cover up….. wait a minute.  🙂   I could have taken a picture today but it would have looked the same.  To be honest I thought they would have collected the mail and redeliver there mistakes…. silly me.  🙂  My $44 a month box is down mis-deliverer cove…. I am just kidding again…. they do not just do it on mis-deliverer cove it is everywhere do not worry.

Neat picture of JJJ at some ICA meeting.


Just found this picture…. I took this picture at the ICA show in 2010.  This is how I use to get my subscription…. from his hand outs.  🙂  JJJ was a great guy and put out a super magazine.  This might have been one of his last ICA appearances and magazines?

This was before the ICA show was actually open?  When vendors set their booths up…. I had a backstage pass! Or a vendor pass…. I forgot? 🙂

VETO PRO PAC CT-XL Large Cargo Tote

Well my Bucket Boss GateMouth Jr. Tool Bag started to rip and more importantly….  I was loading it with to many tool.  (Maybe this was the reason for the ripping?  🙂 )  So I started looking for a replacement bag.  I was looking at a Klein Tools canvas bag…. But I didn’t like the “moisture-resistant” wording used.  So I am going to use this as my tool bag temporarily.

The VETO PRO PAC CT-XL Large Cargo Tote


But I am also planing on purchasing the Veto Pro Pac Tech XL or the Veto Pro Pac TECH-LC Tool Bag? For my actual “tool bag”…. Then use this beach bag for large crap.  I could not decide which tech bag…. That is why I only have the cargo bag now.  Tell me what you use!  It is a lot of trouble trying to purchase a bag!  Now I know how Women feel!  JUST KIDDING!  LOL!  I have no clue what their issues are?  🙂  Maybe if all Women had to purchase this bag they would never have to get another one?  🙂

BTW I never really cared for the bucketboss tool bag…..  when you loaded it with some tools you really could never zip it unless you were very determined.  So the bag always stayed open…. which allow crap to fall out.

I also support China like our US government and Veto…. but apparently Veto bags use to be made in the USA?

VETO PRO PAC CT-XL Large Cargo Tote – Full of crap


This is what I had in my Bucket Boss GateMouth Jr. Tool Bag…..  also showing the wear damage.  I also tried zipping the bag with nothing in it and I think the hinges are the problem maybe?


This is my VETO PRO PAC CT-XL Large Cargo Tote loaded up….  note I left the tag on.  I also leave my tags on all my hats, shirts and pants!  Yes of course I do not wash my clothing!  I have to keep the stickers and tags looking fly!  (When I use to wear baseball hats….  I thought I washed them?  Fitted hats start to stink…. I thought?  🙂 )

Also let me know what tool bag you use before I purchase another China bag.